One Veteran's Voice

07 February 2006

Danish Cartoons Start WWIII

Another post on cartoons. I truly don't see what the big deal is with cartoons. From the Joint Chiefs to muslim clerics, people around the world seem to have forgotten that cartoons are, by definition, ludicrous caricatures. They might make you think, laugh, draw, even get angry and offer an opposing view-- but kill, burn, riot? No cartoon has ever moved me that much. The clerics need to get off the high horse and start directing all the energy into something constructive. If they want to protest, nonviolence ends up working a lot better, in the end. If they want to protest something, how about the occupation of Iraq, and not a stupid cartoon. It's laughable, until one realizes that people have actually died as a result of these cartoons. What a waste.

My friend Ray offered these insightful words via emaillist. Ray is from Indonesia, the largest muslim country in the world.

I think a lot of it stems from the difference in free-speech tolerance level between here and in the Muslim world. Christianity in the West has been on the defense against secularism for so long that some people begin to accept the criticism and the ridicule of religion as a given. In the Muslim world, on the other hand, criticism and ridicule against Islam is a rare event and very frowned upon, to say the least. Such criticism is far in between, and the perpetrator is harshly punished. I think these Muslims are offended because of two things: the Prophet, being with the Koran the most visible symbol of the religion in the Muslim world, is being drawn (which on the theological level really is bad enough, trust me) and he is ridiculed in public. The reactions from the Muslim world, such as boycott of IKEA and other Scandinavian stuff in the Middle East (apparently they think the Scandinavia only consists of Denmark), are not out of the ordinary.

R.H.

I enjoy criticism of religion (yeah, I'm a heathen), especially criticism of religious fundamentalists. So here, for your enjoyment, are the cartoons that the chickenshit US corporate ewwww we're scared media won't even put on tv for a few seconds. Damn our press sucks. Islamofascists take heed. Corporafacists take heed.













14 Other Voices:

One Salient Oversight said...

You see none of these cartoons would actually be offensive if the male in them was not identfied as Mohammed. Since there are no images of Mohammed that are propagated throughout society, it would be quite easy to view the men in these cartoons as merely stereotypical Muslims, rather that the founder of Islam himself.

In fact. where in the cartoons is it explictly mentioned that Mohammed is the one been caricatured? All I see is an Arabic man with a turban.

2/07/2006 05:20:12 PM  
Elmo said...

I think the planet populace should stop being such pussy ass bitches too. If your world can be rocked by a fucking cartoon then you have not the couth nor the mental capacity to function in reality. It's childish to be irritated by such nonsense.

Now that's irony...me calling something else childish.

2/07/2006 08:08:36 PM  
withinreason said...

It is only a cartoon as you said,but it is already in the news they are having a contest to see who can draw the best "Holocaust cartoons."I wonder if CNN will show these? Hell Daffy Duck is President and we are O.K. with that.

2/07/2006 10:45:22 PM  
mihael said...

I'm really somewhere in between with this whole cartoon matter. For one, I'd like to point out that no religious fundamentalism wether christian or muslim or any other is something I can digest.

I am however almost sure that if someone made a drawing of inverted christ on the cross taking a dildo up his backside or something similary tasteless and publish in one of the popular mainstream newspapers a hell within a christian community would break loose.

Freedom of speech and expression is a very delicate and subjective thing. Just because you are able and allowed to say something does not mean you have to, same way you don't call any women in the street a whore, just because you can. Sense of respect for others even though their perspective differs from your own is fundamental.

... burning things and making an international incident out of such things is way overreactedand extreme from my point, but we are not the same and we do not react the same to everything. In my opinion people should invest their energy into doing something more constructive.

How can we ever hope to solve our differences somewhere down the line if we on one side get provoked by such things and on the other side allow ourselves to be provocative.

2/08/2006 05:40:36 AM  
OneVeteran'sVoice said...

the image of christ penetrated with a dildo is something so tasteless that even I would not 'publish' it. Someone probably would-- but that's what a free society is about. People might get offended. Oh no. As long as we can stop killing each other when we get offended, it can still work. These cartoons of the prophet just don't seem that bad to me. And the arabs frequently mock jews in their media, as you said, there is now a contest to draw holocaust cartoons. Strikes me as childish hyprocrisy.

2/08/2006 09:39:41 AM  
Anonymous said...

considering my own outlook on the world, i usually find it funny that people take themselves so seriously. funny because well...i don’t know, people seem to be totally missing the point in my eyes. clearly not so in theirs.

this, this is just sad though. this is a level of staunch, acerbic stringency i can’t quite wrap my head around.

the entire thing is completely crazy. crazy to the point where iran’s version of a level-headed response is crass immaturity; eye for an eye, tooth for tooth, sacrilege for sacrilege! turn about’s not just fair play, it’s fair-er play

and i don’t really have some personal or moral problem with iran’s cartoon vengeance, i just think it’s incredibly juvenile. i mean, it’s no running out to riot, maim, and kill, to be sure. i just don’t see how it helps.

most of all, though, this is just frightening. the way i look at it, there were 2 possible lines of thought here: either the cartoons actually incensed some people so much, they not only felt rioting and demanding beheadings was warranted, it was the only course of action - that is scary as fuck.

option b, they found it somewhat less offensive than they claim, but a great excuse to vent indignance, get the nation riled up, and cause some death, mayhem, and distruction - that is also scary as fuck.

basically, fundamentalism is something i don't understand. rather, i don't understand it's support. and the fact that uprooting it is nearly impossible...well, shit. we're going to have a problem eventually.

seriously, people actually believed demanding beheading - for an incendiary cartoon, but a cartoon all the same - was the most justified course of action? i...don't understand.

i might not get into heaven, but i suppose secularism has some benefits all the same.

2/08/2006 10:02:04 AM  
D. said...

They're fucking cartoons.
The problem isn't cartoons.
And it isn't Muslims, either. Most of them are not going to go out and torch an embassy over this.
The problem is Religious Fundamentalists. Wack-jobs.
In this case, it's the Muslim fundies.
I think the discussion of this idiocy can be more fruitful if couched in terms of religious fundamentalism.
D.

2/08/2006 12:12:38 PM  
Anonymous said...

This incident made me realize that I should love my Prophet more.

The West didn't understand why the Muslims made so much fuss about it.Iraq is still in our mind.Palestine is still in our mind.

All of sudden, those angry mobs in Beirut and Damascus,the angry few with the loudest voice have been painted to represent 1.3 billion people.What a joke.

Abu Ghraib was caused by SOME troops,NOT ALL troops. Can CNN at least remember that?The same rule should be applied to the Muslims.

go here: sorrynorwaydenmark.com, a site Muslims made to prove to the Danes that we too dig Haagen dazs and hate blood.Just in case the Danes/the west think all Muslims shower with blood, eat the Jews' heart and ingest babies for supper.

Here is a good editorial from Lebanon about why Muslims were mad:

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=5&article_id=22037

It's just a piece of cartoon.Yeah, get over it.

2/08/2006 04:50:17 PM  
Anonymous said...

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10
&categ_id=5&article_id=22037

2/08/2006 04:52:21 PM  
withinreason said...

Just last month the Iran President made a statement the Holocaust never happened,did'nt get much press,Isreal did not go out and set buildings on fire.CNN poll tonight shows 63% of those polled wanted the cartoons showed,it is still a free press and let us not forget the cover of the Rolling Stone,need we say more?

2/08/2006 06:50:25 PM  
Elmo said...

Breaking News: Elmo Farted in Capital Building.

2/08/2006 10:17:42 PM  
Elmohammed said...

Chill out fools!! Elmohammed rules! Elmohammed says cartoons make people burn things and tear shit up.

2/09/2006 12:00:57 PM  
Elmo said...

Elmohammed...ROFLMAO!

2/10/2006 02:02:06 PM  
Edmund Gray said...

I just wish the cartoons were ya know, at least funny. I think this one is actually really good, but elmohammed is funnier than any of the others.

3/01/2006 09:55:33 PM  

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